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Xander Povic's avatar

Give Ukes to Ukraine supporters are likely Ukrainians whe left their country so someone else can die for them.

Darryl's avatar

Who invaded who again? Just do we’re clear.

Andrew Thomas's avatar

‘You can’t negotiate with Putin’, they say. If he has any sense, that is now true. After Minsk 1, Minsk 2, and the US/UK destruction of the all but finished agreement mediated by of all people Erdojan not only Putin but any future Russian leader would be crazy to trust anything ‘agreed to’ by the psychopaths in charge of the collective west. So it is really much ado about nothing, regarding any possibility of a ‘peace’ that is acceptable to both Trump and Russia. So, on it will go.

R. G. Miga's avatar

World War 4, now, by my watch.

the "Cold War" was only "cold" to the extent that most of the countries involved couldn't match the global force projection of the superpowers. if you were in a developing country pursuing economic populism or political self-determination, and the U.S. decided you were within its sphere of influence (i.e. anywhere on Earth outside the Soviet Union)—it was likely a very hot war.

World War 3 was the U.S. fighting to install an extractive post-colonial economic order in every corner of the globe. it won. World War 4 (or maybe 3.5) will determine whether an empire built on the back of America's Greatest Generation—orchestrated by some once-a-century vampiric sorcerors in U.S. secret intelligence—can now be sustained by a loose confederacy of cryptocurrency grifters, the 1st Rascal Scooter Cavalry Battalion, a fleet of XBox-powered Reaper drones, and tactical nukes.

should be exciting.

Sudo Root's avatar

We are in this situation now because in 1994 the USA, UK and Russia persuaded Ukraine to sign the Budapest Memorandum agreeing to surrender their Nuklear weapons to Russia in return for protection from invasion..... so in 2019 Barack Obama and Theresa May reneged on that agreement and allowed Russia to steal Crimea. The treachery of the colonial powers was laid bare there allowing Putin to start his takeover of the industrial and mineral gem of the old USSR (Not Russia).

Didi's avatar

Hollywood the mecca for all propaganda where good guys, bad guys and global archetypes are created and embedded in our DNA from birth. The next time you watch movies like “Mission Impossible”, “Die Hard”, “James Bond” the villains are always Russians, ME or Asians, the characters are portrayed as being cold, cruel, evil and often ugly - up against sweet, gentle, trustworthy, honest Americans. The antagonist-protagonist stereotypes become unconsciously embedded in our memory. We become susceptible to manipulation because already our minds have been programmed to think and remember from the movies who are the villains : Russia, Islamic people and Asians are bad guys .We are constantly reminded they are the baddies.

JW51's avatar

Great piece. Perfectly articulated my own experience in trying to explain my thoughts about the wars to my family. Most of them well educated and liberal (in the true sense). They seem to respond emotionaly rather than logically getting angry almost as soon as the wars are mentioned. I'm convinced this is the way propaganda is designed, to work at the emotional level and block rational thought.

JC Denton's avatar

The West misunderstands how strongmen lead. If anything their hold on power is even more tenuous than in liberal democracies. Indeed, that is the main benefit of liberal democracies: the people think they are free. The value of this belief is often underestimated.

Neither Putin nor Xi have an unquestioned hold on power. Putin faces opposition mostly from the ultranationalist wing, and is constrained in what he can do without precipitating their wrath. This is true for all leaders.

Davy Ro's avatar

America admitted it yesterday Russia was provoked. If people had any idea of all the facts & the truth in this conflict. They refuse to accept any of them. I've tried telling intelligent friends with proof. Peaches by Western commentators & many things said at the UN. But they refuse point blank to believe any of it. The media & politicians lies constantly spoken about Russia & Putin had been going on since 2007 none stop. Ask any British person why the British government has refused point blank to show any evidence of the so called Novachok poisoning to anyone. Any allies, the Russians & refused the appeal even to the UN. They'll look at you like you're a traitor or Russian spy. But that's a fact. It's been constant deminisation of Putin & Russia. Yet Putin is idolised by his citizens. Maybe if people researched what he's achieved for his country & citizens over 20 years. They'd realise, but they won't. Hardly anyone knows the truth in the UK. Because our enemies are much closer to home.

Raveen's avatar

'However, they switch that thinking off when it comes to Ukraine.'

The level of compartmentalization of all these geopolitical agendas and treating them as separate cases, instead of recognizing the clear unifying theme of Western neocolonialism is insane.

Those who do so are clearly emotional, in denial, and refuse to view what's happening rationally and with common sense.

Steve Hanken's avatar

Growing up in the aftermath of WWII, where my father had been a participant and as a result, was in the second group of troops to enter Dachau Concentration Camp which I believe changed him deeply, and not for the good. The result that I faced was simply to out do him in every way possible to prove my self worth that he never gave to me, ever. Graduating from high school in 1968 with no support from my family, especially after moving out in January and completing my education in a rooming house that I paid for, I decided to enlist was far better than be drafted, so I did enlist and when called I went. When it was over, I had spent two years in a war zone, longer than my father had; and I had made one complete trip around the world by finding a way to use the Army for me, rather than the other way around! What I saw in Vietnam was more than enough to convince me this was a war meant to enrich the few at the expense of the many poor and draftable "others" who would lose over 50,000 of their brothers to make it all happen. That included President Johnson as I understand his wife owned lots of Bell Helicopter stock. So frommy point of view Peace truly is important, and not in the VFW way of viewing peace, which simply meant pour more money into defense and that will protect us, which in fact created the needto bleed off all these toys in the only way that makes sense, use them! Both Democrat and Republican law makers saw this as a good thing when their side was doing it, and complained largely when the other side did the same thing! When it comes to Ukraine, had we put our foot down in the beginning rather than let Putin get a crack started into that country, the destruction that has followed likely would have never happened. You are correct in saying we are our own worst enemy when it comes to support for Israel and completely overlooking the fact of the war crimes being committed there, but we seem ignorant of the fact that when Bush 2 invaded the Middle East he too committed a war crime as the countries there had not invaded us! The propaganda may have hinted that being the case, but no proof was ever shown that it actually happened as a result of State action. With the largest of armies and the best of technological know how, we destroyed completely the infrastructure of a country and avoided nothing! That simply fostered more war and more profits for munition makers and war machine manufacturers at the cost of even more human life, often not military but civilian. Even our non-military aid that could help restore some of what we destroyed is played like a tool, do what we want and we will give you aid,do what you want, and we will confiscate any funds anyone in your country has in this country and freeze any aid, including humanitarian aid as a result! How stupid can you get! Will, now you can see just how stupid we have been coming directly to the forefront as our Felon in Chief goes about his merry way to make friends with the most dispicible dictator Putin! Calling out our allies to become states of the US? Telling Greenland we want to buy you up or invade you for your minerals? Telling the whole of Europe we are dropping out of NATO? And to topit off we are surrendering the treasury of the US to the richest 1%! Our "Il Duce," deserves the same fate Mussolini faced when the Italian people got hold of him!

Ponti Min's avatar

Since this is evidently aimed at people like me, I'll have a go at answering it and addressing all the points on my blog (probably not today as i'm busy). If I do, Ricky, do you agree to read it and answer the points i make (maybe on here)? Because i do genuinely believe that respectful debate coming from people with differing views on a question can often make clear the issues involved -- and there are lots of different issues involved here.

Diane Engelhardt's avatar

.How many of these WWW. III enthusiasts gave a shit about Ukraine, I wonder, or knew exactly where it was before this stupid war began?

D Shelby's avatar

Donate liberal college girls to Ukrainian soldiers as concubines !!

james's avatar

Those that accuse others of being "Putin Lovers" or "spreading Russian talking points" are just mindlessly reciting mainstream media. It sounds cool and it sounds so patriotic.

None of them have studied any history. They are ahistorical and the same ones that skipped high school civics classes. Fuck' em. They have nothing to contribute to the discourse...they love being in the Matrix.

Jacqueline Conway's avatar

Another brilliant and accurate analysis, Ricky. We are definitely being softened up for war with Russia, which is such an unbelievably stupid and immoral position. Young people have been royally 💩 on in all respects: this would be the cherry in the poo-cake.