Amazing how stupid people can be. This is a rag bag of narcissists , whose only point of agreement is their grievance against Labour. They have no leader, no policies, and no funding. With so many gigantic egos in one room, I’d be surprised if this ever gets off the ground.
I just wish Corbyn would get on with it. Yes Reform might implode eventually but they are currently gaining ground every day and the mainstream media are giving them a huge, mostly uncritical, platform.
I'll add this to my Flat Tire Satire file as well as to my (S)Heroes hall of fame for the Public Interest-ed and engaged lifers....Oh, yes, also to my here in the ol' US of A organized "LABOR AIN'T A PARTY" solar-powered scooter sticker......
I agree with much you wrote, but here are a few points you might want to consider.
It's not unusual historically for the disadvantaged to be socially conservative but economically more in favor of policies that would see their lives improve. Such policies may partially align with 'socialism'.
There's a reason why Hitler's party was officially named the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The poll on reasons for people leaving Labour has allowed the respondents to select as many options as they want, as they add up to more than 100%. And the options aren't ranked.
It's therefore not possible to conclude definitively that "four fifths left because....". All you can say is that 20% of the former labour voters questioned gave immigration being too high as one of their reasons for moving away from Labour. Some of the respondents may oppose welfare cuts as well as opposing the perceived high level of immigration.
As we know, the first past the post system does not proportionally or fairly represent people's votes.
Any new social democratic party that is focused largely on electoral politics will be a disappointment. There have been very few exceptions in British history.
One that relies on an aging, though principled, politician with questionable leadership skills to attract support may have an issue.
The article - like most TV/mainstream-doped voters' geopolitical consciences - is predictably devoid of any thoughts of US-NATO-Israel's perpetual global bloodbaths, warmongering and genocidal slaughter - as in :
"It doesn't affect ME-ME-ME, my Mini-Me's aka kids or My Own Back Yard, right? Am I right or wot ? So it won't really affect who I vote for. Stands to bloody reason, don't it ?"
The tone is "finger on the pulse". The "we": is that you and me, Ricky, you and the rest of you ... not HM The King? But one thing comes over clear: you, and we with you, are very excited about what we're hearing and, when a new political party gets launched, there is more than enough for helping-hands to do.
But, as you say, anything that chimes with what sounds normal to a neoliberal, and therefore anyone else bar Green, is virtual dead in the water. Green and its leader must decide whether the nation's future lies in its name, its policies or its leader. There could be some valid must-do's left in the other traditional parties, such as "always use a coaster for iced gin and tonic", so do keep your eyes peeled.
In the graphic ("Why have people switched?"), do you happen to know: could people select various answers, or just one? They didn't ask me, but if it was just one, I'd still be swithering yet. Between them all.
It could be the time, we need the energy of the youth and all those who still have a strong sense of justice and empathy for others to rise up and really for once, make a difference.
Amazing.They could call it the English National Party, ENP. It would be I'd hope, civic nationalist and internationalist. I hope they do not stand in Scottish elections in 2026. Though I am presuming it's not official yet if they don't have a name.
Though it's true they could take votes from the (English) Green party, they could also go into coalition should that be a possiblity at the next UK election, though Scotland might I hope have secured independence by then, in which case in all sincerity, good luck!
Ps, If no one in Scotland voted at a 'UK' GE, it would not change the outcome, it's decided by English voters.
I cannot wait for this Party to take-off and dismantle the Devil IsRael.
It's all very exciting, but Starmer has 4 years in which to do a hell of a lot of damage ☹️
I'm hoping the news from today will go a very long way to increasing support for the new party. Read my commentary here 👇
https://open.substack.com/pub/drdavebeck/p/hot-of-the-press-franchise-extended?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=448viu
Go, go, go third parties!
Thanks Ricky 👏👏👏
Amazing how stupid people can be. This is a rag bag of narcissists , whose only point of agreement is their grievance against Labour. They have no leader, no policies, and no funding. With so many gigantic egos in one room, I’d be surprised if this ever gets off the ground.
I just wish Corbyn would get on with it. Yes Reform might implode eventually but they are currently gaining ground every day and the mainstream media are giving them a huge, mostly uncritical, platform.
I'll add this to my Flat Tire Satire file as well as to my (S)Heroes hall of fame for the Public Interest-ed and engaged lifers....Oh, yes, also to my here in the ol' US of A organized "LABOR AIN'T A PARTY" solar-powered scooter sticker......
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I agree with much you wrote, but here are a few points you might want to consider.
It's not unusual historically for the disadvantaged to be socially conservative but economically more in favor of policies that would see their lives improve. Such policies may partially align with 'socialism'.
There's a reason why Hitler's party was officially named the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The poll on reasons for people leaving Labour has allowed the respondents to select as many options as they want, as they add up to more than 100%. And the options aren't ranked.
It's therefore not possible to conclude definitively that "four fifths left because....". All you can say is that 20% of the former labour voters questioned gave immigration being too high as one of their reasons for moving away from Labour. Some of the respondents may oppose welfare cuts as well as opposing the perceived high level of immigration.
As we know, the first past the post system does not proportionally or fairly represent people's votes.
Any new social democratic party that is focused largely on electoral politics will be a disappointment. There have been very few exceptions in British history.
One that relies on an aging, though principled, politician with questionable leadership skills to attract support may have an issue.
And I meant to mention that you have only considered the situation in England not in the devolved countries.
Amazed it isn't already streets ahead.....
Teamsport style allegiances are always in play. Teamsport mentality is at the heart of populism and the mainstay of all the parties.
The article - like most TV/mainstream-doped voters' geopolitical consciences - is predictably devoid of any thoughts of US-NATO-Israel's perpetual global bloodbaths, warmongering and genocidal slaughter - as in :
"It doesn't affect ME-ME-ME, my Mini-Me's aka kids or My Own Back Yard, right? Am I right or wot ? So it won't really affect who I vote for. Stands to bloody reason, don't it ?"
(Paul G)
The tone is "finger on the pulse". The "we": is that you and me, Ricky, you and the rest of you ... not HM The King? But one thing comes over clear: you, and we with you, are very excited about what we're hearing and, when a new political party gets launched, there is more than enough for helping-hands to do.
But, as you say, anything that chimes with what sounds normal to a neoliberal, and therefore anyone else bar Green, is virtual dead in the water. Green and its leader must decide whether the nation's future lies in its name, its policies or its leader. There could be some valid must-do's left in the other traditional parties, such as "always use a coaster for iced gin and tonic", so do keep your eyes peeled.
In the graphic ("Why have people switched?"), do you happen to know: could people select various answers, or just one? They didn't ask me, but if it was just one, I'd still be swithering yet. Between them all.
It’s time for the young to have a vote without a manipulation of marching to the ancien tunes of left,centre, right.
It’s ideological nonsense as proven by experiences.
It could be the time, we need the energy of the youth and all those who still have a strong sense of justice and empathy for others to rise up and really for once, make a difference.
Amazing.They could call it the English National Party, ENP. It would be I'd hope, civic nationalist and internationalist. I hope they do not stand in Scottish elections in 2026. Though I am presuming it's not official yet if they don't have a name.
Though it's true they could take votes from the (English) Green party, they could also go into coalition should that be a possiblity at the next UK election, though Scotland might I hope have secured independence by then, in which case in all sincerity, good luck!
Ps, If no one in Scotland voted at a 'UK' GE, it would not change the outcome, it's decided by English voters.
Thanks for this great news, Ricky!