Sir Keir Starmer has finally announced the UK’s formal recognition of Palestinian statehood. Canada, Australia and Portugal have done the same, with France and other countries expected to follow. The recognition is based on 1967 borders, meaning Israel needs to give back an awful lot of stolen land, but still nowhere near enough.
Still think that Starmer is trying to wriggle off a possible charge of complicity in genocide. He’s consistently refused to name Israel’s atrocities as a genocide, so will his ‘recognition of Palestinian statehood’ really change anything? The UK still sends Israel weapons to continue their massacres.
As long as English, Scottish, Welsh N.Irish and British is inclusive of darker skinned people all is good. Nationality is of course ideological not biological. And that applies to Israelis too.
So although I’ve lived in England for 46 years, I shouldn’t regard it as home? Can I wait until my grandchildren no longer need childcare before moving back to Scotland? Do you want all the English in Scotland to move back to England? Where should those of us with no faith go?
I don’t know what the fuss about the name of a resistance movement. Eliminate the Hamas organisation and another will pop up. As long as resistance is required there will be brave men to become members. You cannot expect to kill and maim a quarter of a population without there being a reaction at some point. If Israel had killed my wife and children I would give up my life to seek revenge.
The question is, how come there is ANY talk about "destroying resistance"? There is no way people just submit, shut up, kneel and agree to disappear and stop existing. What if it was required of the Ukrainians, to stop living on the land, "go anywhere else where Slavs live" to give way to the British, to have the land because they feel like they have lived there 2000 years ago? Why is there any talk criminalizing resistance as though it is some crime or misbehavior?
And therefore have no right to dictate terms of recognition. Why would Hamas have come so far just to say 'OK will go away quietly and let you decide who should be allowed to run our independent sovereign 'State''?
Australia : How can we calm public discontent about the ongoing genocide?
UK : Stopping israel from continuing this Genocide for example?
Canada : Are you dumb?!! we are financing this, We can't lose our investment !
France : Ok, let's recognize the state of Palestine, it will distract people, calm the crowd, and ease everything hahaha
UK : but borders are controlled, there is no sovereignty, they can't use the air space, rain water, the sea, commodities (gaz ..;etc) all belong to Israel and us hahahaha. How this "Palestinian" state can exist?
Canada : Are you dumb or just dumb? There will be no state; it is just a distraction to calm the crowd. Of course we don't want a Palestinian state; we are looking for a way to continue the genocide for a year or so, since no one wants to take those indigenous people. We need to kill them all or at least wound as many as possible so they will go out for treatment, but they will never be allowed to come back. Hahaha.
UK : Ah ok great Idea. Then I recognise the "state" of Palestine
Canada : ok great will do that too
Australia : Youuuu gys, are more satanic than satan, I mean Satanyahu, himself hahahahah
France : me too I will recognise this "state", but let's add something like demilitarised "state" ... ahahahahah
I just feel that this is merely a 'symbolic' recognition. We're still sending arms and weapons to the genocidal maniacs next door. No-one is doing anything to stop the genocide. So does that mean in 2 years, when Palestine no longer exists, we can simply 'not' recognise it any more? The Hague is nothing more than a toothless old dinosaur, and is doing nothing substantive to stop them either.
the goal is to calm public discontent about the ongoing genocide. Check the definition of a sovereign state and you will see that Isra-hell and its allies (FR, UK, CA, US, ...etc) have left no state to be recognised ...
This is a complete fraude, why do they suddenly change their mind? It's to impose a recognition on their terms exclusively suitable to israel, and israel is acting as if they are not ok with it... so as the US. It must be an unconditional recognition with Hamas, totally free from israel domination, with the frontiers of 1960, with compensation for 80 years of destruction, with their one army, and a justice court for israel war criminals, the total evacuation of all settlers from Palestine, and Jerusalem as their capital too.
So Starmer might be finally recognising Palestine as a sovereign State? BIG FUCKING DEAL! This is just posturing at a pathetic level. So is the UK going to stop assisting Israel in the genocide and land grab? Is Starmer going to send Palestine weapons and train their brave soldiers to defend their territory? These are rhetorical questions of course, answers not needed as it's obvious this won't change a damned thing for those poor doomed people. Watching Lammy spout shit on Kuenssberg yesterday morning has seriously given me chest pain and has made me so angry. The cunt should be in the Hague. Forgive my archaic language but he and this government are directly complicit in the slaughter of thousands of children there.
Good that this has eventually happened, but Starmer is only electioneering. His government still hasn’t made the more crucial recognition that Israel is carrying out a genocide.
Actually the recognition of Palestine is on the base of the 1947 borders as the ICJ decision told that israel must return to the pre 5 June 1968 borders which where still the same as the 1947 ones.
Anyhow as the parassite which it is, except if it cures it self and remove the cancer rulling its wannabe state, israel is going to loose it all.
The British government went for several hundred years before it allowed the Irish people to self-determine and even that was preceded by murdering the leaders of the Easter rising. Then they screwed Michael Collins which in turn led to the civil war and ultimately the 40 years of the “troubles” in NI. Perfidious Albion indeed.
The very idea that replacing an already existing population with an imported, armed one in order to replace one country with another, emptying the land and "giving" it to someone else or taking this land by war is deeply criminal and inhumane. It is barbaric, medieval and unworthy of anyone especially post-Hitler .
The UN never "gave" Zionists anything. They just took it by fraud and war - and acquisition of land by war with population replacement is a crime against the international law.
Western supremacism, continuing "dealing" with Palestinians like former Americans with slaves or a business owner with livestock, is astonishing. It is apparently very hard to root out.
Zionists have killed or thrown in torture jails all Palestinian leaders who could have spoken in the faces of these supremacist slave owners.
The reason for "recognizing Palestine" in the West is liberal Zionists' panic that by exposing the objective to completely erase Palestine, Israel is "damaging its image". So there is a need to "save the image" and pretend "coexistence" - I guess until Palestinians start revolting again and be called terrorists and "unable to coexist".
The West cannot understand that there can be another paradigm except domination and submission.
Next step, nations of the world: Unrecognize Israel.
Wholeheartedly agree!!
Still think that Starmer is trying to wriggle off a possible charge of complicity in genocide. He’s consistently refused to name Israel’s atrocities as a genocide, so will his ‘recognition of Palestinian statehood’ really change anything? The UK still sends Israel weapons to continue their massacres.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians (whatever their faith) like England belongs to the English (whatever their faith).
It really isn’t rocket science.
As long as English, Scottish, Welsh N.Irish and British is inclusive of darker skinned people all is good. Nationality is of course ideological not biological. And that applies to Israelis too.
So although I’ve lived in England for 46 years, I shouldn’t regard it as home? Can I wait until my grandchildren no longer need childcare before moving back to Scotland? Do you want all the English in Scotland to move back to England? Where should those of us with no faith go?
perhaps derek hands meant to say britain belongs to the british, rather than england belongs to the english
I don’t know what the fuss about the name of a resistance movement. Eliminate the Hamas organisation and another will pop up. As long as resistance is required there will be brave men to become members. You cannot expect to kill and maim a quarter of a population without there being a reaction at some point. If Israel had killed my wife and children I would give up my life to seek revenge.
Who says Hamas will be 'eliminated'? Have Hamas accepted this deal?
My point was that you cannot eliminate resistance as long as its causes persist; whatever name you give it.
Point taken. My point is- who says this is going to eliminate the current form of resistance?
The question is, how come there is ANY talk about "destroying resistance"? There is no way people just submit, shut up, kneel and agree to disappear and stop existing. What if it was required of the Ukrainians, to stop living on the land, "go anywhere else where Slavs live" to give way to the British, to have the land because they feel like they have lived there 2000 years ago? Why is there any talk criminalizing resistance as though it is some crime or misbehavior?
We never had the right NOT to recognise Palestine!!
exactly
And therefore have no right to dictate terms of recognition. Why would Hamas have come so far just to say 'OK will go away quietly and let you decide who should be allowed to run our independent sovereign 'State''?
Australia : How can we calm public discontent about the ongoing genocide?
UK : Stopping israel from continuing this Genocide for example?
Canada : Are you dumb?!! we are financing this, We can't lose our investment !
France : Ok, let's recognize the state of Palestine, it will distract people, calm the crowd, and ease everything hahaha
UK : but borders are controlled, there is no sovereignty, they can't use the air space, rain water, the sea, commodities (gaz ..;etc) all belong to Israel and us hahahaha. How this "Palestinian" state can exist?
Canada : Are you dumb or just dumb? There will be no state; it is just a distraction to calm the crowd. Of course we don't want a Palestinian state; we are looking for a way to continue the genocide for a year or so, since no one wants to take those indigenous people. We need to kill them all or at least wound as many as possible so they will go out for treatment, but they will never be allowed to come back. Hahaha.
UK : Ah ok great Idea. Then I recognise the "state" of Palestine
Canada : ok great will do that too
Australia : Youuuu gys, are more satanic than satan, I mean Satanyahu, himself hahahahah
France : me too I will recognise this "state", but let's add something like demilitarised "state" ... ahahahahah
"Satanyahu" - very good, I may have to adopt this!
I just feel that this is merely a 'symbolic' recognition. We're still sending arms and weapons to the genocidal maniacs next door. No-one is doing anything to stop the genocide. So does that mean in 2 years, when Palestine no longer exists, we can simply 'not' recognise it any more? The Hague is nothing more than a toothless old dinosaur, and is doing nothing substantive to stop them either.
the goal is to calm public discontent about the ongoing genocide. Check the definition of a sovereign state and you will see that Isra-hell and its allies (FR, UK, CA, US, ...etc) have left no state to be recognised ...
Spot on Ricky
This is a complete fraude, why do they suddenly change their mind? It's to impose a recognition on their terms exclusively suitable to israel, and israel is acting as if they are not ok with it... so as the US. It must be an unconditional recognition with Hamas, totally free from israel domination, with the frontiers of 1960, with compensation for 80 years of destruction, with their one army, and a justice court for israel war criminals, the total evacuation of all settlers from Palestine, and Jerusalem as their capital too.
So Starmer might be finally recognising Palestine as a sovereign State? BIG FUCKING DEAL! This is just posturing at a pathetic level. So is the UK going to stop assisting Israel in the genocide and land grab? Is Starmer going to send Palestine weapons and train their brave soldiers to defend their territory? These are rhetorical questions of course, answers not needed as it's obvious this won't change a damned thing for those poor doomed people. Watching Lammy spout shit on Kuenssberg yesterday morning has seriously given me chest pain and has made me so angry. The cunt should be in the Hague. Forgive my archaic language but he and this government are directly complicit in the slaughter of thousands of children there.
Israel must be DISMANTLED OR ANIHILATED.
Good that this has eventually happened, but Starmer is only electioneering. His government still hasn’t made the more crucial recognition that Israel is carrying out a genocide.
Actually the recognition of Palestine is on the base of the 1947 borders as the ICJ decision told that israel must return to the pre 5 June 1968 borders which where still the same as the 1947 ones.
Anyhow as the parassite which it is, except if it cures it self and remove the cancer rulling its wannabe state, israel is going to loose it all.
The British government went for several hundred years before it allowed the Irish people to self-determine and even that was preceded by murdering the leaders of the Easter rising. Then they screwed Michael Collins which in turn led to the civil war and ultimately the 40 years of the “troubles” in NI. Perfidious Albion indeed.
The Devil IsRael. The Antichrist.
The very idea that replacing an already existing population with an imported, armed one in order to replace one country with another, emptying the land and "giving" it to someone else or taking this land by war is deeply criminal and inhumane. It is barbaric, medieval and unworthy of anyone especially post-Hitler .
The UN never "gave" Zionists anything. They just took it by fraud and war - and acquisition of land by war with population replacement is a crime against the international law.
Western supremacism, continuing "dealing" with Palestinians like former Americans with slaves or a business owner with livestock, is astonishing. It is apparently very hard to root out.
Zionists have killed or thrown in torture jails all Palestinian leaders who could have spoken in the faces of these supremacist slave owners.
Marwan Barghouti, Sinwar, Haniyyeh, Khalida Jarrar, Bassem Tamimi, now Haneen Zouabi.
The reason for "recognizing Palestine" in the West is liberal Zionists' panic that by exposing the objective to completely erase Palestine, Israel is "damaging its image". So there is a need to "save the image" and pretend "coexistence" - I guess until Palestinians start revolting again and be called terrorists and "unable to coexist".
The West cannot understand that there can be another paradigm except domination and submission.