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Ian Deare's avatar

Not just America, might clear a few scum from some other political, and influential, sewers as well!

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Who do you think will replace those "scum" under our capitalist system?

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Exactly. Scum will be replaced with new and improved scum. The entire system must be torn down and reformed into a worker's paradise.

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Lynne's avatar

Just had a shudder of recognition when I read this post and realised there’s something very ‘Jimmy Saville’ about Trumps wording!!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Correct; The only way to rid this Government and all corrupt politicians is to make these 'files' open. Just one person with some guts please.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

It seems perhaps an indictment of US society that this scandal, in which the only person who died was the facilitator of the crimes, is regarded as potentially administration-destroying, while objectively far worse crimes openly committed by Trump, his allies and the Democrats are not. The obviously preventable deaths of dozens of children and adults in the Texas floods; the ongoing supply and support for Israel's genocide; the slaughter of workers in American businesses such as the Esparto fireworks factory explosion on 1 July... we could all list endless, horrific crimes of capitalism and imperialism which affect us all. Yet Epstein's pimping for the elites is somehow what would cause them to be shown for what they are - viciously cruel, self-serving exploiters? We already knew that.

To claim that the revelation of the list would somehow mean a replacement of corrupt, profit-hungry politicians by clean, unselfish socialists is absurd. There is no short cut to revolution. It means the hard work of raising the consciousness of the working class and finding ways to fight the oligarchy together.

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Dave Pratt's avatar

I absolutely agree with you. In America you can be a mass murderer of innocent children, as corrupt as they come but if you transgress sexually well that is the end. Seems a bit of a warped sense of priorities to me.

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Graeme Whitehead's avatar

Pedophiles are in power and have been for years. It's perhaps a good indicator of a person's corruptability because leaves them open to blackmail

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Very few people, even my revolutionary socialist comrades, agree. I have never been able to understand this. Perhaps someone who disagrees can explain their reasoning.

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Amanirenas's avatar

We need to the files to serve justice. If not for the perpetrators, then at least for the victims. Everything else we do with those files is gravy.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

"Everything else..."? If justice is served against the perpetrators, what else do you want to happen to them?

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Amanirenas's avatar

There are people that will not be within the legal jurisdiction of the US. Those we need to address through the ICJ, sanctions, international extradition laws, etc. You just have to give that a little thought and you’ll figure it out.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

That is not the meaning of your original comment. Your reply is even less clear:

- Sanctions? Imposed by whom on whom, exactly? Are you expecting the UK government, for example, to impose sanctions on the USA over this scandal?

- The ICJ? The International Court of Justice, or colloquially the World Court, is the international court that adjudicates general disputes between nations, and gives advisory opinions on international legal issues as interpretation of international treaties, borders disputes and human rights cases. I fail to see its remit encompassing individuals' crimes.

- Extradition? From where to where?

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Amanirenas's avatar

Ok I’ll try to explain it to you.

We can, as a country, sanction other countries, businesses and individuals if we find it necessary. Example: we sanctioned Russian oligarchs at the beginning of the Ukraine/Russian war. Biden sanctioned violent Israeli settlers a couple of years ago. We also just sanctioned the UN special rapporteur Francesca Albanese. In turn Albanese is calling for governments to sanction businesses that are actively supporting and profiting from the Gaza genocide.

We have extradition treaties with other countries. Should criminals escape this country, say Trump, Elon, Clinton or whoever else is implicated in this decades long sex trafficking ring, they would be sent back to the US, unless they find sanctuary in some embassy like Assange did. That would be a problem.

I made a typo, it’s not the ICJ. I meant to write the ICC. This is where you take criminals to be tried for human right violations. The Court at The Hague is seriously pursuing prosecuting human trafficking as crime against humanity. It’s about damn time!

I hope this clarifies the different ways in which justice can pursued outside of the US if necessary, otherwise known as the gravy.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Given that most if not all suspects in the Epstein scandal are US citizens, sanctions on Russian oligarchs don't appear to be relevant here.

Repatriation: sure, if criminal suspects (they would be unconvicted so why are you labelling them 'criminals'?) flee, then extradition could be used. But do you seriously expect the US ruling class to act against itself? That's not what American criminal laws are for, but to keep the working class living and (profitably) working in fear of the police.

Why anyone would label the serious process of justly prosecuting criminal suspects as "the gravy" is beyond my understanding, as it undermines the supposed impartiality of criminal justice. This is not about revenge.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

The “pedophilia” (scare quotes as these were teens and not tiny kids) is just the doorway; let’s be real - mostly people don’t care about young women’s lives. This scandal is about corruption, money laundering, foreign influence, blackmail, espionage, campaign interference, arms trafficking and covering up a genocide. On those lists and in these files are lists of every elected and unelected official who has been compromised and who can be induced to wipe their asses with the constitution under the rubric of national security.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

"mostly people don’t care about young women’s lives"... yet this scandal has enraged millions of people around the world specifically because of the perpetrators' blatant exploitation of young women. I suspect that if it were young men, the outrage would be far less, as men are assumed to be willing participants.

Israel does not need to blackmail Western politicians to support and supply its genocide and ethnic cleansing: the ideological affinity between Israel and Western imperialism has been close since the 1960s, long before Epstein began his operations. The US uses Israel as its attack dog in the Middle East, ensuring US hegemony over the region.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Rebecca - it took decades and decades for this to even get to the light of day - and now, the NYTs even is dismissing this entire issue in its op-ed pages.

It’s about the blackmail, Rebecca. It doesn’t matter that Mossad and the CIA are in alignment; they need to make sure NO ONE steps outside the lines.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

So if it weren't for Israel blackmailing the entire political class of the USA and UK, Israel would have no political, military or media support? That takes conspiracy theorising to new depths. Sure, Mossad might have some juicy stuff on some rich people, but Israel is highly useful to the rulers and corporations owning the West. Get rid of every last corrupt one of them under our capitalist system and they will be replaced by others just as enthusiastic about burning children alive in Gaza - a crime that seems to inspire far less outrage on this thread.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

How is it that you are not seeing the connection between sexual depravity and moral depravity?

Of course, kompromat is part of this scandal, as is membership in the larger club of other depraved individuals.

If discipline were solely a matter of common interests, there would be no need for an Israel lobby.

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Feral Finster's avatar

"Israel does not need to blackmail Western politicians to support and supply its genocide and ethnic cleansing: the ideological affinity between Israel and Western imperialism has been close since the 1960s, long before Epstein began his operations. "

If Israel does not need to do this, why do they? Why does AIPAC assign a minder to each Team R congressman, to make sure he toes the line, if this were not needed?

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Ted's avatar

Belt & braces.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I would think that blackmailing people who are already inclined to support you to the hilt would not exactly ensure continued friendship.

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Ted's avatar

To clarify, the blackmail consists of the tacit threat to withdraw financial support and/or fund alternative candidates at primary & election time. I don't believe Israel routinely blackmails US politicians via sexual entrapment. (Although since Snowden says the US does blackmail individuals they find dirt on, most secret services presumably do the same thing).

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Diane's avatar

I’m sure there were small children involved, not just young women. Same as the Diddy parties. I’ve read horrific stories of what actually went on using trafficked children, from a survivor. She called them ‘party favours’ for the rich and powerful, billionaires business people and politicians. . Often they were killed after the rituals too.

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Lawry Roberts's avatar

Indeed, with modern technology he could have redacted himself. Unless MOSSAD have the master tapes. Which would seem likely with his attitude towards Zionists.

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damien flinter's avatar

Jim fixed it for Randy Andy...Mountbatten was mounting the boys in the Kincora Home...MI5/6 were using sexual blackmail before they midwived Mossad and the CIA.

J Edgar Hoover ran similar schemes on political enemies while his own closet was wide open.

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Lenny Cavallaro's avatar

The Epstein files will be destroyed or kept under lock and key indefinitely. We have seen this also with files on the assassination of President Kennedy. Those in power will ceaselessly protect the guilty (i.e., themselves)! Meanwhile certain outside players (possibly Netanyahu?) will pull the strings a little more...

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William Bowles's avatar

Hmmm... I would have thought being a pedophile was the least of these monsters problems. How about being a mass murderer?

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J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

If anyone still needs convincing Israel is behind a lot of this then Ben Shapiro coming out to bat for Trump, trying to move everyone away from looking too closely at Israel's part in it all, is the golden nail in the coffin of denial and distraction.

Alan Dershowitz is another one who is desperately trying to make people move on. Oh and he was accused by an Epstein victim and represented Epstein in his 'sweetheart deal' with Acosta in his Florida prosecution for child prostitution.

The possibility of exposing the links between Epstein, MOSSAD and a ‘Blackmail Ring’ are the reason Trump has done a 180 on this matter. I wouldn’t discount the ‘coincidence’ of Netanyahu’s visit to Trump last week having played a part in his sudden wish that everyone “move on from that creep, Epstein”.

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Graeme Whitehead's avatar

It is so refreshing to see someone writing so well about something I have suspected/known for so long. Feels like we could be getting somewhere, at last - the genie won't go back in the bottle

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liam's avatar

We need to stop relying on the clown criminals for anything; instead, we should create our list from the flight logs.

1. Stephen McPherson was on tape raping a child.

2. Bill Clinton

3. Barack Obama (who is married to a tranny)

4. Tom Hanks

5. George Clooney

6. Chris Rock

7. Bill Gates

8. Les Wexner

9. Peter Nygard

10. The old cunt herself, Hilary Clinton

11. Donald Trump

12. Bill Richardson

So here are 12 names to start with, believe it or not, the rest is easy. Good Luck, and as always, may the truth be with you!

https://archive.org/details/jeffrey-epstein-private-plane-flight-logs

Here are 118 pages of guests to Epstein's Island.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Oh, yuck. "Barack Obama (who is married to a tranny)" - what is your problem with trans people, exactly? Do you have even a shred of evidence to suggest that Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama is transgender? Why would it be relevant to this sexual scandal involving the pimping of teenage girls to the wealthy US elite?

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liam's avatar

And their two kids are adopted...Why lie about it? When Joan Rivers told the story, she was murdered. Nothing shocking about a transgender, but why lie about it? Transgender people have been around for a very long time. It peaks near the end of a civilization. There are pictures of them in college together when he was Michael. It's not a big deal, but people should know the truth, and these elites need to stop lying to the people.

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ShafiqLeila Mog's avatar

Your (really not smart) point would be better served if you didn't use hateful slurs and refer to transgender people in dehumanising ways. Unless, of course, you wish to be read as both racist and transphobic.

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liam's avatar

There are many books out about men who believe they are women and women who think they’re men. It is a form of mental illness; one cannot change the XX and XY chromosomes. A shady doctor may be able to snip off a few bodily parts, but that doesn’t change what you are. “Those who make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire. We live in times of moral crisis. A genocide is taking place in Palestine, and pedophilia is slowly being accepted in countries. I have a few homosexuals in my immediate family. Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years, no big deal. The world is in a spiritual crisis.

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ShafiqLeila Mog's avatar

*blinks* Wow. Well, that's a whole bunch of words you said. Mostly meaningless drivel and regressive conspiracy bullshit. I see that, in giving you the benefit of the doubt earlier, I made a mistake.

You are a racist, transphobic bigot. You are also, from where I am sitting, a conspiracy minded fool. Well done, please take a "gullible is not in the dictionary" badge.

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Diane's avatar

Idiot. Grow a brain.

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liam's avatar

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

Get a grip...

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

"It peaks near the end of a civilization" is a claim without the slightest connection to reality. There is a lot of conspiracy theorising in the comments on this blog.

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ShafiqLeila Mog's avatar

I think this particular topic brings out the regressive weirdos out of their conspiracy foxholes, likely due to the numpties who got sucked into the Qanon shite.

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liam's avatar

I’m not into conspiracies. I attended a lecture some 15 years ago about the fall of Rome and other civilizations, and what they all had in common was the debauchery and lack of morals towards the end of that particular era. Read the “Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and History Begins with Sumer.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Wow, you really have a massive shovel to dig that hole even deeper, haven't you? Equating transgender people with "debauchery and lack of morals" is.... well, it must just show the kind of person you are.

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liam's avatar

We have a major mental illness in this country when people think they can switch genders.

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LtJ's avatar

The 'problem' is they are 'mentally unstable and need help', and many do not like the idea of the PUSH for trannies to 'come out' and PUSH their idiotic ideals on the children...GET IT?

So take you mentally deranged ideas somewhere else!...

God Created MAN AND WOMAN................................PERIOD!!!

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

What a hole you have dug for yourself.

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LtJ's avatar
8dEdited

Why do you say that??

NO ONE can change the Chromosomes or DNA. You can do all the surgery you want, but you are BORN either Man or Woman, cannot be changed and anyone that thinks they can or 'pretends' they can should seek help and turn to God and Jesus!

There is NOTHING NEW under the sun!..........It has been tried by many civilizations and look what has happened. Those whom do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

I do not dig holes, Truth stands on its own!

My prayers for you!

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Trans, non-binary and intersex people have lived in every human society throughout history. They are entirely normal people. That you regard them as somehow dangerous shows how much you have imbibed of hate-based propaganda from those who want to erase anyone even marginally unconventional. Please keep your faith out of this; there are many Christian trans people, and plenty of cisgender Christians who care for them, but like anyone else, most trans people rightly reject evidence-free religious claims.

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LtJ's avatar

That is true and they are NOT NORMAL.

I have said ZERO hate comments and this is the main reason people in your world have so many issues in life. You think everyone is out to get you, yet you try to cram your perverted beliefs on others.

I have had many gay and lez friends in the past and never had issue with it, you, like all of us, we will have to answer to God one day, for tomorrow is not guaranteed!

There is no such thing as a 'Trans Christian', THAT is a very moronic statement and proves yet again, you are on the wrong side of history.

Come to Jesus while you still can, for tomorrow is NOT guaranteed

In history, when these things took place, what happened to those civilizations........Days of Noah?, Lot, Sodom (sodomites), Gomorrah (gays and trans), Nineveh (do as you please), .........

God Created Male and Female...Period!....cannot be changed by man!

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Ted's avatar

Thanks for outing yourself as an idiot.

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liam's avatar

Eat me...

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V Baldwin's avatar

No Trump! TF

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

I think it's likely that more than half of Trump's voters know he's full of shit about this and are pissed off about it. Trump just committed one of the greatest political blunders in American history, and the fallout has just barely begun.

And now, because I am in the US and am protected by the First Amendment regardless of what anyone says, I will now violate British law:

I support Palestine Action.

Great post.

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Ann Britton's avatar

Do not be ridiculous, it is not the Epstein files that are going to bring down the US government, it is the consistent deviation from the sworn Duty that the politicians have not only neglected, but compromised. If it was not epstein it would have been any one of 100s of other things, the insider trading, the financing of proxy wars, the murder of civilians, the persecution of Assange or others who rang the alarm, the corruption, the loss of morality, the lies, ……a sick and dying society which is on life support since the rich don't contribute to but drain.

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Mike Fish's avatar

A roster of the ruling class reads like a sex offender registry.

Cries out for castration, both chemical and otherwise.

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Philippa Rees's avatar

The 'chilling prospect' of a corrupt humanity? Is there any doubt about that? When those paragons of public trust ( doctors and nurses) were only too happy to make their small fortunes injecting the coerced with drugs that had not passed the most basic of testing? When the unelected Councils of State (Parliaments) rush through laws legitimising murder ( euthanasia and full-term abortions)? It is not a 'get-out' for the rest of us to say we could do nothing to stop them. There is always NO.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

"drugs that had not passed the most basic of testing" - please elaborate. I hope you are not referring to vaccinations such as the COVID-19 vaccines that undoubtedly saved millions of lives.

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Philippa Rees's avatar

How is 'saved millions of lives' proved? The serious damage to millions and the terminal damage to many, is easily proven. But clearly, from your 'undoubtedly', you have not taken the trouble (and given the suppression of this data, it does take some effort to find it) to discover the REAL effect of this gene-altering, untested therapy. Try the undertaker John O'Looney, one of the first to signal the explosion of deaths caused by the vaccine, the Pfizer Head of Research Mike Yeadon, the still jailed for exposing it, lawyer Reiner Fuellmich's Corona Committee's countless interviews with various witnesses and experts on the Corona scam that sold a 'plandemic' in order to push genetic changes on the world's population who believed, as you still do, that the 'corona virus' actually existed, and was virulently infectious! I have elaborated, but only an open mind and extensive research will provide you with the full picture.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

You must therefore have links to an enormous tranche of well-verified, peer-reviewed studies that support your theory that the coronavirus was a "scam" and that the well-tested vaccines caused an "explosion of deaths". Where are those studies?

Let's look at just one of your sources:

"Yeadon falsely claimed in an October 2020 blog post that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom was "effectively over". He stated that there would be no "second wave" of infections and that healthy people could not spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Yeadon also discouraged COVID-19 lockdowns and the use of face masks despite evidence for their effectiveness. Several of Yeadon's false or misleading claims have been amplified on social media.

Yeadon has claimed without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines were unnecessary, unsafe and could cause infertility in women. In a letter to the European Medicines Agency, Yeadon and the German physician Wolfgang Wodarg called for all vaccine trials to be stopped, falsely suggesting that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation. A Telegram account under his name has promoted the unfounded claim that the vaccines cause recipients to become magnetized."

(Wikipedia, fully referenced online)

Notice all the references to "without evidence" and "unfounded". You have been misled by some very dangerous people. There is a mountain of good quality evidence for the appalling reality of the COVID-19 pandemic, the effectiveness and safety of vaccines and other public health measures, and the lethal results when governments withdrew those measures.

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Philippa Rees's avatar

Wikipedia?! I recognise 'confirmation bias' running rampant! See Mark Twain; 'It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.'

The world was fooled and those pointing it out are shunned or in jail. That fact alone speaks volumes. Cheers. Over and out.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Oh, I expected you would refuse to debate this and instead issued an ad hominem attack on the authority of the source. It is plain that science is not your strong suit.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Did you ever consider that being filmed performing an act a depravity on camera is how one gets access to the benefits of club membership? Like getting jumped in to a gang or committing your first murder for the mob?

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