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Frances Lynch's avatar

The burning question is WHY are governments so supportive of Israel, what possible reason could they have to so aggressively support a genocidal state???

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Jeanie McEachern's avatar

it seems a rhetorical question, frances; we who are not yet brain-dead know it's about lucre, status, ill-begotten profit, fraud, and self-serving avoidance of being blackmailed by the spy services of criminal states like zioisrael, the US, the UK, and germany.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

True, although now that Iran says it captured Mossads records, perhaps Iran will begin to publish what they found beyond the nuclear docs they have already revealed. Like who is being blackmailed and for what.

https://vtforeignpolicy.com/2025/06/mossads-vip-pedophile-blackmail-material-hacked-by-iran-days-before-israel-declared-war/

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Jeanie McEachern's avatar

tnx for this cyberalert re. iran's divulgations, frances, the outcome of which allows sanguinity to prevail among us impuissant non-entities.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

Yes, keeping in mind that hope dies last :)

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Jennellhartnann's avatar

It’s a puzzle why the UK and other governments are so eager to support Israel under all circumstances. In Starmer’s case he is a Jewish convert who married into a Jewish Zionist family and he seems to have had no strength of character to go against any of their wishes. My Husband, who is Jewish and supports Palestine, thinks Starmer is simply only interested in money and the Jewish state has given him a lot for supporting them. I don’t know about other countries but over here they join a group supporting Israel called Labour Friends of Israel and then Israel buys their support by gifting them thousands of pounds, which they presumably got from the USA.

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Christopher Wild's avatar

I liked your response. A very realistic summation of how Government Policy in UK is being manipulated for US / Zionist agendas. This is a most unwelcome development and the sooner Starmer is ousted, the better…. worse it appears that Starmers government is also in cahoots with Somalia's genocidal army

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Valerie Collins's avatar

Kompromat?

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Frances Lynch's avatar

Probably. For at this point, I don't think you can rise in status in many industries and governments unless that is the case.

It appears to be a sort of "Rite of Passage" in the ugliest possible of ways.

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Valerie Collins's avatar

Yes, exactly. Seems like they will do anything to prevent the unspeakable from coming to light. Pact with the devil.

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Stan's avatar

Didn't two Jewish business men bankroll starmer's campaign for the leadership? I seem to remember blair using the terrorist legislation against a Polish veteran who heckled him. The situation does make you wonder about election meddling by a foreign government. The fuhrer is trying to set an example for us all to see for his masters.

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Mmmm's avatar

Apparently Blair has, or wants, property in Palestine

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Mizael Mendez's avatar

Because they are colonial empires and Israel is a western colonial project. The UK an the US (where i live) want to maintain their oppressive control and sphere of influence over the region.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

I certainly agree on the goals; to maintain control and influence. Do you see "colonial empires" as a redundancy? Aren't all empires colonial for the most part?

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Mizael Mendez's avatar

I concede that all empires are necessarily colonial entities and that my use of the phrase "colonial empires" is a redundancy. I more or less meant to use the word "colonial" as an adjective to describe that necessary feature of "empires," but it really just doesn't work and I am glad you pointed it out.

I guess after talking to American chauvinists for so long I feel the unnecessary need to add an adjective to a noun or an adverb to an action here or there to communicate an idea that should be obvious to everyone else but is not so to a heavily propagandized individual. But I understand that it's kinda sloppy.

Sometimes calling something an "empire" just feels insufficient; like you are referring to a metaphor rather than the actual character of the nation you're describing.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

Thank you for that well thoughtout response!

I myself have a tendency to see the use of colonial to infer, "white rule" which to me is annoying. Empirese come and go, and each race over time gets it turn at bat.

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Mizael Mendez's avatar

Of course! I always try to be thoughtful during online engagement.

On the note of "white rule," I can see why one would have the tendency to infer it as the meaning behind the use of the adjective "colonial." It's not necessarily without merit. White supremacy has been ubiqitous with empires over the last several hundred years. Many people, even those who are unlearned, have a general impression of this.

The terms "settler colonialism" and "Western hegemony" carry similar connotations regarding whiteness. Perhaps you are annoyed with those who use it without any depth; I welcome your elaboration. From where I stand, there is a lot that can be said to this kind of critical theory of white-dominant societies.

I'll put it this way: empires come and go, but it does not necessarily follow from this truism that "each race over time 'gets its turn at bat.'" It is entirely possible, and history has shown, that one race, or one group of races, dominates the rest due to geographic, strategic, economic, and political reasons.

Some may acknowledge this and try to rephrase, saying, "empires come and go, and each race is capable of 'getting its turn at bat.'" However, speaking to the hypothetical capability of a race to lead an empire, without any evidence to show that such a race is along the trajectory to actually lead an empire, is to create an illusion that has nothing to do with the material reality in front of you.

When I look at the material reality in front of us, I can agree that empires come and go, but they do not do so in the same manner. Each empire leads to new lengths, new boundaries, new leaders, new peoples, new languages, and new dynamics. And as technology and economic systems evolve, so too the character of the empire. With this evolution there follows greater power and greater stability; the capacity for widespread hegemony appears before the horizon of international relations in a way not seen previously. It is from this understanding that I see "white rule" as having merit in a discussion like this, given that white populations have managed an imperialist network that is primarily the result of certain conditions along a certain trajectory, unlike many non-white communities who engage with each other and with economics very differently.

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Nick's avatar
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Some are just agglomerations of states/peoples (like Austro-Hungarian empire). Others historically have given citizen status to their subjects (like the Roman empire). Or have some annexed areas, but are otherwise a continuous state (the old Russian empire).

I guess the main difference is conquest and annexation vs milking as colony, and keeping colonial administration distinct from “central”/domestic governance.

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Colin Reed's avatar

I've wrestled with that question. The only answer that makes sense to me is that Israel functions as the West's money laundry and wealth management facility. When you look at how many major brands are owned by Israel it becomes the most likely scenario. There has to have been something "in it" for the west to have given Palestinian territory to Israel and such an arrangement seems something the contracting parties would have agreed to.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

I have a difficult tme deciding who is in charge, is it the world banks? Probably not, I see them as middle men. So who really is running this nightmare?

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Brandon's avatar

It's money, when people support evil things the answer is always money.

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Mmmm's avatar

Look up 'Friends of israel' there are Labour and tory FOI groups too. You'll see that they're in influential positions.

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Frances Lynch's avatar

Yes, in the US they fund/control both lead political parties.

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Nick's avatar

Most of the political class are ideologically empty party careerists like Kier or his Tory counterparts, and will support anybody who butters their toast. It’s a big club, and they’re all sleeping together. Palestine of course doesn’t pay the bills, doesn’t make campaign contributions, doesn’t have a hugely powerful lobby, nor can it wine and dine them.

And for those less eager but still convincable, there’s always blackmail.

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Kat'sLife's avatar

Until now I had actually thought things were better in the UK than in the US….

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Cheryl Thomas's avatar

Well. Matters here in the U.S. are terrible but, in my innocence, I thought the political situation in the U.K. was more civil and far more sane. Guess not...

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Aamir Razak's avatar

Those are my thoughts as well, Ms. Thomas. I thought things were more even-keeled and reasonable across the pond, but I guess not.

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Colin Reed's avatar

We're generally about 4 years behind the US at any given time. Sadly most in UK don't realise that.

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Cheryl Thomas's avatar

That is beyond disturbing. If the pattern holds true, then the UK can look forward to having a prime minister that is not only an incompetent, gaslighting, grifting, altogether despicable con man, but is insane besides.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Oh, good lord... To torture pensioners and those in wheelchairs with huge fines and possible jail terms for being against genocide! What a beautiful picture the UK is painting of itself. Genocide-enabler Starmer and company should be the ones standing trial and going to jail--forever!!

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Beryl's avatar

I couldn’t be more disappointed in Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper. I’m a Labour voter but I don’t understand why my Party supports genocide. It is totally unconscionable. Beyond reason. Wtf is wrong with Labour?

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

It's called being in the pocket of Zionists and probably getting some nice kickbacks from the military-industrial complex that profits from eternal genocide and war.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

His wife is Jewish and he’s more or less converted by now.

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Baz's avatar
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Agree Robert. He is such a spineless leader, in thrall to status, devoid of thoughts of his own, he has allowed his wife’s ideology to influence him, over and above his ‘humanitarian’ beliefs. Politicians in the west seem impotent stopping this genocide and he will go down in history as an enabler. We can see he and his cohort becoming increasingly desperate as the Palestine Action debacle has highlighted.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

Yes he even goes to shul and keeps the Sabbath. Why doesn’t he just convert already?

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Baz's avatar
1dEdited

Um….it’s ‘bad taste’ to do it during a genocide? Sorry if that sounds flippant. Actually, it’s probably just political realism. Can you imagine the furore if he were to do that right now?

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

Do you read my site? I’m wondering if I recognize you. You’re welcome to stop by if you wish.

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Baz's avatar

Will pop over, thanks.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

I wish he would. Come out of the closet, Keith. Closets are for clothes!

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I Know Nothing's avatar

It's a two year ordeal haha

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Colin Reed's avatar

As I understood it, to marry a Jew you must convert. When I met my first ex-wife she explained to me that's what she would have to do if she were to marry the guy she was with at the time.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

That’s not true but many Jewish spouses of non-Jews do convert because the Jewish spouse mandates it.

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I Know Nothing's avatar

Oh dear lord.

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Elly Marie (she/her)'s avatar

This is why I have now joined the Green Party who say it like it actually is and are not bankrolled by corporates or billionaires

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Colin Reed's avatar

Happy to have you with us Elly. We've been telling the same truth for years. I've been banging the drum for so long now telling everyone the only future worth having is one with an #AllOutGreen government and finally people are being drawn to the party by the same things that brought me to it: honesty, empathy, respect, integrity, accountability, fact-driven policy and a flat refusal to do what's easy in place of what's right.

I hope you're feeling at home with us.

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Spunty's avatar

You're STILL a Labour voter?

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Beryl's avatar

It’s certainly a challenge but I have an excellent constituency MP.

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Lenny Cavallaro's avatar

Thirty-six minutes?? These "trials" remind me of the Kafka novella, IN THE PENAL COLONY. The accused was automatically assumed guilty and given no opportunity whatsoever to defend himself. The sentence -- an excruciating death -- was determined before any semblance of a trial could be held. Is that where the UK (and, by inference, the US) is heading?

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Paul Govan's avatar

You must surely mean Kafka's "The Trial" - "Der Prozess". I had to study it and read in German at Cambridge - one of the few books/works on the curriculum I actually enjoyed and whose central character "Josef K" I genuinely identified with - and sadly I do so far more since the start of this Orwellian + Kafkaesque neocon-ignited 21st 'New American Century'.

PS. just as pertinent: although Kafka was born to a Jewish family he wrote the following in his diary in 1914:

"What have I in common with Jews? I have hardly anything in common with myself and should stand very quietly in a corner, content that I can breathe." He also declared himself an atheist as a teenager.

(Paul G)

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

Kafka left the Jews. Like Kubrick and Mailer. Good for him.

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Paul Govan's avatar

But most of our many nominally Jewish alt-media truth-tellers such as Katie Halper, Prof Jeffrey Sachs, Max Blumenthal, Aaron Maté, Chomsky et al - unlike Kafka -never seem to state publicly that they're atheists. Are they all on the fence - devoutly rational agnostics like Yours Truly most of the time ? Kafka declared his atheism as a teenager - way to go young man...

(Paul G)

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

Those are all very much secular Jews. It’s more important to leave Jewish culture than to leave the religion. Going atheist alone doesn’t cut it. Look at the seculars in Israel.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

All of those have more or less left the Jews too. Or else they are creating the “new Jew.” Blumenthal isn’t even Jewish. He’s like 1/4 patrilineal like Lenin. He’s just a guy with some Jewish ancestry.

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Lenny Cavallaro's avatar

They are two different works.

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markeycatherine0@gmail.com's avatar

Oh my God now Im imagining my own excruciating death!! I was arrested in Liverpool so will no doubt have the same outcome as Audrey and have to travel to London for a kangaroo court. With this extreme turn by Srarmer and Mahmood, even suggesting banning words like Intifada and From the river to the sea, I fear we will get the maximum sentence of 6 months to score everyone into submission. I cant believe what has happened to the Labour Party I supported my whole life

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Marg's avatar

Surely the whole cohort could be hit by a mystery illness until the judicial review deliberates in a fortnight? Thanks for what you did xx

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markeycatherine0@gmail.com's avatar

That would be a great plan! I am still on bail till December so I'm hoping the judicial review will be successful

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Marg's avatar

I really hope so! It would restore a smidgeon of respect for the judiciary.

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Lenny Cavallaro's avatar

Applause for your courageous stand, and my sincerest hopes that the case will be tossed -- as it SHOULD be!

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Enon's avatar

The UN convention on genocide, to which the UK is a signatory, applies to these judges and other officials acting to punish opposition to genocide. It's a matter of international law which supersedes any UK immunities. Julius Streicher was hanged by the Nuremberg tribunal solely for publishing incitement to genocide. These genocide-enabling judges and officials are entitled to no more of a defense than they allowed those who opposed genocide, indeed far less, their guilt is not in question. They are hostis humani generis, outlaws not entitled to any law's protection, their crimes punishable by death, as are all supporters of Israel's genocide.

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Anaylsis Stack's avatar

Could the prosecution of non-crimes be a conditioning practice to normalize the government’s full push into tyranny as policy? The west seems bent on destroying individual rights for the installation of technological frameworks of surveillance and subjugation for the further profits of corporate war machines driving “capitalist democracies” of western neoconservatism.

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Marion Brockie's avatar

Ridiculous that they are expected to travel to London to face trial. Cost of travel and perhaps an overnight stay are prohibitive for most. What if accused cannot afford the trip?

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Baz's avatar

Shouldn’t the defendants all plead not guilty? Wouldn’t that at least stymie the government’s enthusiasm to get this over and done with? Who knows, a successful judicial review in the Palestine Action case would likely have a significant impact on the pending prosecutions.

I guess it’s too late for Starmer and his genocide enablers to come out of this well.

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markeycatherine0@gmail.com's avatar

I don't think it matters if we plead not guilty. Section 13 gets a magistrates court so no jury. This judge has already said the time allotted will be 36 minutes a person and will be like a conveyor belt. I'm genuinely worried about government influence on the courts. Its becoming more Trumpian by the day

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Baz's avatar
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How about the Recusal route?

Judge Snow has history, this from Craig Murray's Substack: "He is the epitome of judicial prejudice. When Julian Assange appeared before Snow in the first hearing after being dragged from the Embassy, Snow called Assange a “narcissist” even though Assange had said nothing but to confirm his name, and no evidence had been led."

Obviously I have no legal knowledge but what if the 2000 defendents’ lawyers applied for this en masse?

Here's what a search brought up:

Grounds for Requesting Judge Recusal:

• Actual bias: The judge has a direct interest or prejudice for or against a party.

• Apparent bias: If a fair-minded and informed observer would conclude there is a real possibility of bias, even if no actual bias is proven.

• Conflict of interest: Personal relationships, financial interests, or previous involvement that could affect impartiality.

• Other conduct: Inappropriate comments or behavior by the judge indicating partiality.

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Eric Walberg's avatar

'collective West' ruling elits love jews. love their love of money, their ability to dupe, fleece, kill, lie, cheat - and get away with it. they are our golden calf. we are faust hypnotized by the devil.

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zachariah's avatar

Maybe the case for the defence should be broken up into chapters and each person uses the allotted minutes to voice their part. It would make for entertaining reporting and expose

these court cases for the box set up that it clearly is.

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Marg's avatar

Yes, that occurred to me but would it be fully reported?😔

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zachariah's avatar

Sure Craig Murray could publish the full transcript on his substack to go with any additional reporting during the process.

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Marg's avatar

Yes, but would many people see that…

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zachariah's avatar

that depends how many people follow https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

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Mara Bryan's avatar

We are challenging Imperialism and colonialism by our peaceful holding of cardboard signs, and that strikes at the foundations…

I mean goodness, what if all the colonial crimes, and collusion in them, were to actually come to light. Where would The West’s “moral supremacy” be then eh?

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damien flinter's avatar

No surprise there..

..in Belfast and Derry they shot down demonstrators for protesting sectarian apartheid.

Internment, torture asSASsination and criminalising of all resistance were then unleashed.

Looking towards the Gulf of Trumpi$m it looks like full-blown g-ICE-tapo disappearances and privati$ed labour-camp prisons.

Brace for g£oba£i$€d Zionism's death throes.

Ye o£d€ KKKri$tians call it their End Times Rapture.

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Nadine Winkler's avatar

Shitshow indeed. It's so patently orchestrated so that the outcome pleases the dominant foreign state and it's hench countries.

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Robert Lindsay's avatar

The UK is a Jewish dictatorship at this point.

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