In the least surprising news this year, the BBC is regurgitating antisemitism smears against Zarah Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn in an attempt to undermine their new political party.
Slightly off topic though, I think Shafia’s point was the misappropriation of the term antisemitism and its lack of currency now in face of the genocide unleashed by Israel.
I was never happy with the guidelines. It can never be right to ban all criticism of a state, or label any such criticism as evidence of bias or discrimination such as antisemitism.
Agree - it's reliant on everyone in that country holding one view. For instance there are antiwar protesters in Israel and a warmonger government: can't agree with both so one side is therefore open to be criticised. This ridiculous definition would mean everyone is an antisemite because they're critical of one section of the Israeli population.
There shouldn't be a right to ban ANY criticism of a state. To accept this ban is to declare oneself as a slave. Speech is the first and most fundamental of all human rights.
Well done Ricky for getting this seen and well done Jamie SWfor rejecting the BBC smear campaign , i think the BBC have always lied i just didnt know enough about the world to notice it when i was young but now that i am older i see it for what it is a lying propaganda machine for the government in england the BBC will never ever be shut down because of its useful far reaching ability to spread propaganda .
The sooner we get a new government the better we need a government that will take a strong hold of the media in the UK and fine it hugely for telling lies so huge it can near enough shut them down , we need a new strong arm government body that oversees the media and issues these huge fines for them telling lies , the media have been doing it long enough now that we cannot accept any proposal that they made a mistake , we need to introduce this tough law that says that if they are not certain that their story or report is factual they should not print it or air it.
No news is better than lies or incorrect news , for us , the people.
The bias is baked in unfortunately, it’s in the editorial stance - quite difficult to prove outright lying Terence. Often what they actually leave out is just as useful in maintaining the ‘official’ (gov) narrative.
I've got bookshelves of media critics from around the world. The US system of Pay2Ply\Pay2Play is hardly the worst. I haven't seen a sensible system of regulation of Freedom of Expression in force anywhere in recorded his\herstory.
Baked in bias should be a protected right for any broadcaster or press selling News (not much curiosity about the lexicography of that made-up word out of primitive cartography's 4 elemental directions: North, East, West, South...)
I do not believe in protecting any Right To Incite (violence, hatred, particular Private Interest loyalty or supremacy).
We haven't even begun a Public Discussion about who controls\regulates our airwaves. The founders won the argument over printing presses (despite poisoning natural resources) being protected for the right to be wrong, if not to mislead or groundlessly defame. Defamation & Libel laws always work well for those not being libeled (directly or by association).
Meanwhile the First Amendment to our B\C (Bill of Rights, Constitution) covers and only abridges where Public Interest is targeted for harm or other various endangerment via mischief.
Yet all the Civil Rights defenders of the civilized world have wildly failed to protect those without the means to broadcast or publish in their own existential struggle. It should be noted that our most accomplished Civil Rights Advocates, Public Speakers, Writers, Publishers and teachers have rarely had access to the means of Amplification and Repetition (the 1-2 punch of persuasion in a Civil Society).
You will check corporate-captured Mass Comm profiteers archives high and low for much of a profile of works by the battling Idas; Ida B. Wells, Ida Tarbell, Alice Stokes Paul, Jane Addams and her pioneering partner in Civil Rights activism\advocacy Ellen Gates Starr, Harriet Beecher Stowe and her grand niece Charlotte Perkins Gilman.
Or even of our relatively recent pioneers, Heroes and Sheroes of Civil Rights & Defining Freedoms of Expression such as Noam "Manufacturing Consent" Chomsky, Michael & his activist son Christian Parenti, Jonathan Kwitny, Barbara Ehrenreich, Christopher "Science of Coercion" Simpson, the merely mortal battling Austinite Texan Molly Ivins and onwards shaping what the founders never foresaw in terms of establishing our Social Bedrock of Contemporary Western Expectations! In many ways the taken-for-granted stratum of our listing and tilt-a-whirl HIGH HUMAN EXPECTATIONS.
Mitch Tio Mitchito Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers
Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of A-Tone-ment Seekers)
yes, Gaza has opened my eyes to a lot of things. The BBC is just a small part of it. All "conspiracy theories" are actually real and Mossad is behind everything. Just look at September 11th and Oct 7th were all Mossad created.
If / when you complain about bias I.e. 2 pro. 0 anti interviewees during a broadcast interview and don’t accept the result, you then are referred to “ upstairs “ and left with the only other option but to go to the ombudsman. We ar “shafted “ and paying for the privilege !
Joseph Goebbels was the Reich Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany, known for orchestrating a pervasive propaganda machine that used mass media, public speaking, and propaganda campaigns to control information and influence public opinion. He advocated for the consistent repetition of simple, emotionally charged slogans, and the selective presentation of "truth" to promote the Nazi cause and its antisemitic ideology.
yes, you are right there. My understanding is that you just cant watch live TV. You can watch recorded programs on Youube, and read, walk, meet people, do activities. Western Europeans don't watch TV till this day. Most have TV's in the corner that they never turn on. Ask any Swiss how much TV they watch...
The smallest piece of research revealed why the BBC is where it is and senior citizens pay a licence fee to watch them go about their propaganda profession !
That just brings up a breakdown of the board and executive committee but from that I don’t see how we can understand much about its editorial stance on anything 🤷🏼♂️
Dear Baz, RU unfamiliar with the necessary phrase in all broadcast\published journalism? "Corporate-captured." From the invention of the printing press, dreams of Freedom of Expression have been not only Heretical to our Divinely-inspired Documents, but when grudgingly added to our Bill of Rights and US Constitution that rebellious Freedom of Expression has only belonged to those who could afford to Own and Operate and Repair and\or Restore & Supply A Printing Press or licensed Broadcaster & Power Station required to transmit.
Goes without saying really Mitch, EVERY editor on every platform has an agenda. My comment you’re responding to was directed to Elfed who claimed the link he posted would reveal why the BBC ‘is where it is’ but it wasn’t clear what he got from the management hierarchy list.
Don’t you worry, I have been skeptical of the mainstream since
Worked out what exactly Elfed? - had a quick look and it’s a presentation by Samir Shah - looked at the transcript still not sure - could you summarise plz.
I am so excited to see this party work. It could mean so much more than just beating the Devil IsRael. This new party could also save the UK if we can also bring our Energy & Housing prices down...
All we have to do is stop funding wars and all problems will be solved including immigration, etc.
i am not even sure that is needed. If we stopped give Ukraine £20bn every year, Israel £10bn, US £10bn, Army £10bn, we would have £50bn a year to spend on our Country every year.
Regrettably, our PM is turning a deaf ear to stopping War Funding and has already embarked on a so called "coalition of the willing" to protect Ukraine. Very odd though that we don't hear a peep from any of them, especially Britain, about a similar counterforce for Palestinians. Wrong colour people I guess !!
Can you imagine if people spoke about Israel and Jews as most of the white world has spoken about Iran and Muslim’s? White hypocrisy is so patent that if any of our leaders had a shred of decency in them, they’d resign.
Denigrating Muslims is rewarded in the west. You can discriminate against them without any consequences. The public pools in my town have gender segregated swim times because the hasidics demanded it. Imagine if muslims did that? It would be front page news.
They’ve emptied the word antisemitism of all meaning. When it’s thrown at anyone who dares oppose burning children alive, it no longer defends Jews from hatred it shields a state from accountability.
Zionists should and must be done away with. It really F's my brain to be getting fed endless BS about how it's OK to deliberately murder hundreds of thousands of defenceless children and babies!!!!!!
If this is ok in another Universe, then let them move there 😡😡😡
Superb article. The so called internatiional definition of anti semitism is a Zionist con that most countries don't accept. Arabs, especially Palestinians, are indigenous Muslim semites and Arabic is a semitic language. Israelis who dont accept this are themselves anti semitic as are those who favour wanna-be semites like Netenyahu and his psychotically racist colleagues. The BBC like Goverment has been cleverly suborned since 1948 with no benefit to the UK. Corbyn and Sultana to the resue hopefully.
The likeliest thing now is that people have just stopped listening. Which is a shame because real antisemitism is real. But peoples trust and concern has been abused.
For it is a way to control and recruit Jews to their cause and to ensure their support for the occupation of Palistine. All done by portraying Zionism as their only "protector" and "Israel" as their only safe haven.
Does anyone even care about antisemitism anymore? Does it actually mean anything to people?
Agree Shafia. In the current western media, the meanings of words have gradually morphed to suit the narrative of the perpetrators:
Any criticism of Israel/IDF = antisemitism, genocide = war, journalists = terrorists, starvation as a weapon = humanitarian food distribution, etc
It's an irrelevant distraction from insidious technocracy
e.g. https://escapekey.substack.com/p/beyond-platos-cave?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1710745&post_id=171429563&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=pq1ry&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Not so irrelevant to Palestinians Peter.
I was agreeing with Shafia and highlighting the global tyranny always ongoing
Slightly off topic though, I think Shafia’s point was the misappropriation of the term antisemitism and its lack of currency now in face of the genocide unleashed by Israel.
Indeed, genocide of semitic people by a depraved ''political'' regime
Dress rehearsal perhaps for hi tech, AI driven, future resource wars when ethnic cleansing and starvation are part of the arsenal.
True. Of course you mean their a semitic culture, too.
No
I was never happy with the guidelines. It can never be right to ban all criticism of a state, or label any such criticism as evidence of bias or discrimination such as antisemitism.
Agree - it's reliant on everyone in that country holding one view. For instance there are antiwar protesters in Israel and a warmonger government: can't agree with both so one side is therefore open to be criticised. This ridiculous definition would mean everyone is an antisemite because they're critical of one section of the Israeli population.
There shouldn't be a right to ban ANY criticism of a state. To accept this ban is to declare oneself as a slave. Speech is the first and most fundamental of all human rights.
Well done Ricky for getting this seen and well done Jamie SWfor rejecting the BBC smear campaign , i think the BBC have always lied i just didnt know enough about the world to notice it when i was young but now that i am older i see it for what it is a lying propaganda machine for the government in england the BBC will never ever be shut down because of its useful far reaching ability to spread propaganda .
The sooner we get a new government the better we need a government that will take a strong hold of the media in the UK and fine it hugely for telling lies so huge it can near enough shut them down , we need a new strong arm government body that oversees the media and issues these huge fines for them telling lies , the media have been doing it long enough now that we cannot accept any proposal that they made a mistake , we need to introduce this tough law that says that if they are not certain that their story or report is factual they should not print it or air it.
No news is better than lies or incorrect news , for us , the people.
The bias is baked in unfortunately, it’s in the editorial stance - quite difficult to prove outright lying Terence. Often what they actually leave out is just as useful in maintaining the ‘official’ (gov) narrative.
I've got bookshelves of media critics from around the world. The US system of Pay2Ply\Pay2Play is hardly the worst. I haven't seen a sensible system of regulation of Freedom of Expression in force anywhere in recorded his\herstory.
Baked in bias should be a protected right for any broadcaster or press selling News (not much curiosity about the lexicography of that made-up word out of primitive cartography's 4 elemental directions: North, East, West, South...)
I do not believe in protecting any Right To Incite (violence, hatred, particular Private Interest loyalty or supremacy).
We haven't even begun a Public Discussion about who controls\regulates our airwaves. The founders won the argument over printing presses (despite poisoning natural resources) being protected for the right to be wrong, if not to mislead or groundlessly defame. Defamation & Libel laws always work well for those not being libeled (directly or by association).
Meanwhile the First Amendment to our B\C (Bill of Rights, Constitution) covers and only abridges where Public Interest is targeted for harm or other various endangerment via mischief.
Yet all the Civil Rights defenders of the civilized world have wildly failed to protect those without the means to broadcast or publish in their own existential struggle. It should be noted that our most accomplished Civil Rights Advocates, Public Speakers, Writers, Publishers and teachers have rarely had access to the means of Amplification and Repetition (the 1-2 punch of persuasion in a Civil Society).
You will check corporate-captured Mass Comm profiteers archives high and low for much of a profile of works by the battling Idas; Ida B. Wells, Ida Tarbell, Alice Stokes Paul, Jane Addams and her pioneering partner in Civil Rights activism\advocacy Ellen Gates Starr, Harriet Beecher Stowe and her grand niece Charlotte Perkins Gilman.
Or even of our relatively recent pioneers, Heroes and Sheroes of Civil Rights & Defining Freedoms of Expression such as Noam "Manufacturing Consent" Chomsky, Michael & his activist son Christian Parenti, Jonathan Kwitny, Barbara Ehrenreich, Christopher "Science of Coercion" Simpson, the merely mortal battling Austinite Texan Molly Ivins and onwards shaping what the founders never foresaw in terms of establishing our Social Bedrock of Contemporary Western Expectations! In many ways the taken-for-granted stratum of our listing and tilt-a-whirl HIGH HUMAN EXPECTATIONS.
Mitch Tio Mitchito Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers
Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of A-Tone-ment Seekers)
Media Discussion List\Looksee
yes, Gaza has opened my eyes to a lot of things. The BBC is just a small part of it. All "conspiracy theories" are actually real and Mossad is behind everything. Just look at September 11th and Oct 7th were all Mossad created.
There’s been a B missing from the broadcaster for a long while. It should be titled as “ The Biased Bu***t Broadcasting corporation “ !
Just call it the "State Propaganda media"
If / when you complain about bias I.e. 2 pro. 0 anti interviewees during a broadcast interview and don’t accept the result, you then are referred to “ upstairs “ and left with the only other option but to go to the ombudsman. We ar “shafted “ and paying for the privilege !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/recent-ecu
the best thing to do is stop watching the BBC and cancel your TV license. Play the Game...
You might not have heard of “ Jo “ ?
+1
Joseph Goebbels was the Reich Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany, known for orchestrating a pervasive propaganda machine that used mass media, public speaking, and propaganda campaigns to control information and influence public opinion. He advocated for the consistent repetition of simple, emotionally charged slogans, and the selective presentation of "truth" to promote the Nazi cause and its antisemitic ideology.
But then it would be illegal to watch the other channels which and like I said “ we’re being shafted “ ???
yes, you are right there. My understanding is that you just cant watch live TV. You can watch recorded programs on Youube, and read, walk, meet people, do activities. Western Europeans don't watch TV till this day. Most have TV's in the corner that they never turn on. Ask any Swiss how much TV they watch...
Why do many people not understand why Julian Assange was jailed ? The BBC and the right wing media only want us to know what they want us to know??
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0d4uVc6-wrVySjHQ5aQW4INcQ
The smallest piece of research revealed why the BBC is where it is and senior citizens pay a licence fee to watch them go about their propaganda profession !
https://www.google.com/search?q=who+runs+the+BBC+%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
That just brings up a breakdown of the board and executive committee but from that I don’t see how we can understand much about its editorial stance on anything 🤷🏼♂️
Dear Baz, RU unfamiliar with the necessary phrase in all broadcast\published journalism? "Corporate-captured." From the invention of the printing press, dreams of Freedom of Expression have been not only Heretical to our Divinely-inspired Documents, but when grudgingly added to our Bill of Rights and US Constitution that rebellious Freedom of Expression has only belonged to those who could afford to Own and Operate and Repair and\or Restore & Supply A Printing Press or licensed Broadcaster & Power Station required to transmit.
Tio Mitchito\Mitch Ritter
Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers
Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of A-Tone-ment Seekers)
Media Discussion List\Looksee
Goes without saying really Mitch, EVERY editor on every platform has an agenda. My comment you’re responding to was directed to Elfed who claimed the link he posted would reveal why the BBC ‘is where it is’ but it wasn’t clear what he got from the management hierarchy list.
Don’t you worry, I have been skeptical of the mainstream since
I discovered I had a mind of my own.
Sorry Elfed I couldn’t work it out , what is the ‘B’ word?
To explain in detail would get me banned but if you’re not winding me up it’s “ hot air “ from a different perspective ????
It’s a couple of asterisks short of bullshit - don’t think you can get banned for saying that.
I’m already banned from Facebook for reasons that they won’t reveal. I’m not taking any chances as it’s probably a comment about Palestine.
You’re safe here my friend - at least for the time being.
If you still haven’t worked it out , try this ???
https://www.youtube.com/live/hytuBkRDfE0?si=8vlj9tlpDPmMDZ3X
Worked out what exactly Elfed? - had a quick look and it’s a presentation by Samir Shah - looked at the transcript still not sure - could you summarise plz.
It’s not rocket science to work out that Mr Sha probably didn’t vote for Corbyn did he ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47798717?app-referrer=deep-link
Don’t need science when you’ve got rockets
A not very British coup https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34400556
I am so excited to see this party work. It could mean so much more than just beating the Devil IsRael. This new party could also save the UK if we can also bring our Energy & Housing prices down...
All we have to do is stop funding wars and all problems will be solved including immigration, etc.
….and ditch austerity pronto
i am not even sure that is needed. If we stopped give Ukraine £20bn every year, Israel £10bn, US £10bn, Army £10bn, we would have £50bn a year to spend on our Country every year.
Amazon could chip in too.
Oh and maybe sell the odd nuclear sub or two 😤
Regrettably, our PM is turning a deaf ear to stopping War Funding and has already embarked on a so called "coalition of the willing" to protect Ukraine. Very odd though that we don't hear a peep from any of them, especially Britain, about a similar counterforce for Palestinians. Wrong colour people I guess !!
yes, it is the ugly face of the Devil IsRael states of america empire and its Antichrist disciples in the west.
So what’s new? British neo-imperial ambitions totally supported by the good ol’ beeb.
Can you imagine if people spoke about Israel and Jews as most of the white world has spoken about Iran and Muslim’s? White hypocrisy is so patent that if any of our leaders had a shred of decency in them, they’d resign.
Denigrating Muslims is rewarded in the west. You can discriminate against them without any consequences. The public pools in my town have gender segregated swim times because the hasidics demanded it. Imagine if muslims did that? It would be front page news.
I don't see it as white hypocracy at all, I see that phrase as a means to disparage and control disscent from whites.
They’ve emptied the word antisemitism of all meaning. When it’s thrown at anyone who dares oppose burning children alive, it no longer defends Jews from hatred it shields a state from accountability.
Zionists should and must be done away with. It really F's my brain to be getting fed endless BS about how it's OK to deliberately murder hundreds of thousands of defenceless children and babies!!!!!!
If this is ok in another Universe, then let them move there 😡😡😡
Enough is ENOUGH
But of course...
Bibi $€€...
..Bibi Doo.
They're £icen$€d to kill..
...the truth.
Don't pay your TV licence, folks!
Superb article. The so called internatiional definition of anti semitism is a Zionist con that most countries don't accept. Arabs, especially Palestinians, are indigenous Muslim semites and Arabic is a semitic language. Israelis who dont accept this are themselves anti semitic as are those who favour wanna-be semites like Netenyahu and his psychotically racist colleagues. The BBC like Goverment has been cleverly suborned since 1948 with no benefit to the UK. Corbyn and Sultana to the resue hopefully.
Suborned is the word for this.
I presume that half a million Israelis who demonstrated last Sunday in Israel are all antisemites.
No doubt Yvette Cooper would have them proscribed in a heartbeat.
The likeliest thing now is that people have just stopped listening. Which is a shame because real antisemitism is real. But peoples trust and concern has been abused.
IMO antisemitism is the life's blood of Zionism.
For it is a way to control and recruit Jews to their cause and to ensure their support for the occupation of Palistine. All done by portraying Zionism as their only "protector" and "Israel" as their only safe haven.
Pretty insideous if you ask me.
The BBC is a disgrace. This kind of reporting was so predictable, sadly.
good on Sultana declaring she was a 'proud anti-zionist'. she should be our leader.