Before the internet, our institutions could get away with all this because we had only the mainstream propaganda news media delivering the narrative. Now we have an entire population of clever sleuths digging everywhere, posting pictures and videos, analyzing everything, sharing it online and each revelation gives another person an idea where to dig next. It's perfect. It's why the government must have complete control over the internet.
My goodness, their "evidence" is so unbelievably fake, it is just laughable.
They will probably kill him now (either present it as suicide or have some "Kirk fan" shoot him as "revenge", like they did with Oswald) and then say "case closed, he was the shooter, we have the evidence".
Katherine, the same thought immediately entered my head... that, given that a living Robinson, not only can deny he ever wrote this ridiculous nonsense, but probably has a dozen ways he can prove that it's just not plausible that any number of details in the dialogue just couldn’t, or wouldn't, have come from him, how can the authorities ever allow him the opportunity to do so?
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I mean, how hard could it be for somebody facing such a badly contrived frame-up to rebut this obvious nonsense? The dialogue is just ridiculous. It comes across as completely unreal. It's so completely expository and implausible that, if this dialogue were presented in, say, a TV series, the viewers and critics alike would award it a rotten tomato, and switch channels.
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I don't think anyone needs to be a conspiracy fantasist to draw this conclusion. One merely needs to be a conspiracy realist and a conspiracy factualist to understand that:
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(1) the alleged dialogue between Robinson and his roomie is almost certainly contrived; and
This reminds me of the fake phone conversation by 2 "Hamas operatives" (with the wrong accents) that lsraeI put out after bombing that first hospital in Gaza.
Yeah, the texts scream fakery. The language is overly formal, and the lack of contractions makes it very stilted. Also, when he is asked how long he's been planning it, he responds: "A bit over a week I believe". It just doesn't scan properly. People tend to type how they speak, and the texts just don't seem like the natural speech patterns of a 22 year old messaging his "lover" about a murder he's just committed.
Apparently he was in a suicide smock during his court meeting, which was interesting.
Keep in mind he probably had massive amounts of adrenaline in his body. He was concerned about getting his rifle back, not counting the days since the idea popped into his head
Right on, Carla. Especially the "my love" bit makes him sound like an 18th Century romantic poet, or a character from a gothic novel, who has fallen through a time warp and ended up in the 21st Century. Ridiculous! I mean, sure, it's possible that somebody could still be using that phrase in the early 21st Century, but how commonplace is that going to be?
I agree, Lisa. The "A bit over a week I believe" piece just screams contrived. That's the kind of response somebody could offer to, say, an interviewer in a TV studio asking some creative artist lounging in the chair opposite: so, Mr. Artist, how long did you spend working on this masterpiece of painting or poetry? And Mr. Artist casts his mind back to consider how his creative genius gave rise to this particular creation.
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WTF? This guy is supposed to be on the run from law enforcement after carrying out the most high-profile crime of the moment, and he sounds like he's participating in a TV studio interview? Absurd.
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And yes, if he was dressed in suicide smock, that does sound ominous. I wonder if they will assign him Jeff Epstein's old cell, along with the non-functional surveillance cameras?
I guess, haven’t had a subscription in 5 years, but across all media it’s been a drum beat of far-right/leftist trans since the incident. Before the evidence. And adding unprovable details to fit the agenda.
We do have camera phone footage, at least 5 or 6 different shots which appeared quickly so could not be tampered which brings me to how much more footage there is out there with even the tiniest clues within.
LOL. Right. Exactly. For the people who actually wrote this script, it's all a performance, so, in their mind's eye, the character they are writing for needs to change his "outfit" just the way an actor assigned the role would need to. So, that word made sense to the writers at the time. The moment, however, that the audiance hears the word from the assigned character, it sounds completely unreal, and the whole thing falls apart.
If it WAS IN FACT ROBINSON, where was he honing his skills with the supposed 30-06? No indoor range that I know of allows rifles of this power to shoot indoor. Populated areas won't tolerate an outdoor range. No one and I mean no one tries to make a kill shot at 200 yds without some range time. Sighting in the rifle and repeated practice sessions. I grew up in a deer hunting environment and a 30-06 round packs a serious punch. I'm opining that a round of this magnitude would have gone on to damage others behind Kirk. The police only use a .38 caliber hand gun because a .357 round can go clear through someone and kill the "innocent".
Who else goes around murdering people, like our "allies" in West Asia? Anyone you can think of? The unending Kirk 'drama' distracts fromthe Gaza Genocide, Ukraine Folly (24 hrs!!) and the best pals pedo-story that magically gets memory holed. Look over there! A squirrel!
Mystery solved right in the texts “judging from today I’d guess grampas gun does just fine idk”. If we believe the texts, sounds like he took his test shot on Sept 10th. Must be a great scope too, then.
Serious gun afficionados practice all the time to master accuracy. Nah...no kill shot like this without serious practice. Any ranges in UT coming forward regarding his practice sessions? Nope...none that I know of. Of course your friendly, neighborhood Mossad shooters are "practicing" all the time. Hmm..
The text messages read like someone texting English through google translate after having watched an episode of Law and Order. I have two kids in their early 20’s and I assure you, there is never a full sentence with correct, proper “adult terms” and words spelled out - there is ALWAYS gen-z language sprinkled in there that I have to google to understand.
Another observation of mine is that the FBI in general, long before Ka$h, has been given WAY too much credit for intelligence. I briefly dated a man who was in the Boston FBI and I assure you, 2+2 did not always = 4 without a calculator in use.
I’m gen z and there have always been kids that text in grammatically correct sentences. Usually the kids who would be described as one of the “smart kids”.
You can’t act like you’re an expert on gen z communication because you’ve texted 2 of them. I’ve almost certainly texted way more Gen z than you, and texting in grammatically correct sentences is the FURTHEST thing from unheard of. This is what I would send to you if I was texting you. Not perfect but no gen z slang sprinkled in. Come on
So unnecessary, especially when you know there are A LOT of gen-z out there who do exactly what I described. You can pretend there isn’t a gen-z language out there and that it’s not widely used throughout the age group if you want, but that does not mean it ceases to exist.
I never said my kids (or gen-z in general), COULDN’T text or type in complete, grammatical sentences, just that they don’t in familiar, comfortable situations.
Of course, you are entitled to feel whatever you please
I never said it didn’t exist. I said it’s not unheard of for gen z to text in fully grammatical sentences. You can’t base your opinion if these texts are real or not because he doesn’t text the same way as your kids. He’s a different person with a different upbringing and (I hope) in completely different online spaces than your kids.
I have a question - if really smart Gen-Zers text in complete sentences, and a really smart Gen-Zer did the deed, and Gen-Zers know the texting language but don't always use it, why would the smart Gen-Zer text in full sentences that they did the deed and not use the Gen-Z text language?
Also, if that script had been texted in Gen-Z language, what would it have looked like?
I'm genuinely interested to know - I'm a boomer, and want to understand.
It's probably fair to say that the truth of what happened is largely immaterial to the idiots who are sharing information with the media. The great divide they want you all to stop exploring is between the rich and poor, not the right and left.
Also, reading that bizarre text message exchange, the person who came to mind was the man who wrote a similarly clunky exchange for a 50th birthday card to a recently deceased billionaire rapist.
Here’s a theory, probably wrong, but worth thinking about a few seconds: Tyler was on the roof, but unarmed. The shot came from another direction and he was set up to be the fall guy. A professional sniper, likely mossad, because they had motive and had made threats. Tyler was asked to go to the roof, maybe his family threatened or he was paid. He’s not cooperating, maybe afraid to talk.
As people are saying, who benefits from this death? Not the left. So it’s either a looney loner or a professional hit. One shot to the neck? A steady hand for sure.
The hand signals? “He’s in place, do it now.”
The rifle in a towel? Planted. Not the murder weapon. Maybe Tyler was told to put it there, but it was never on the roof.
The story they are telling is far too convoluted to be persuasive.
Every word of what you wrote is entirely plausible. This corrupt regime that’s in power right now is bumbling around like a bunch of fools. They don’t know how stupid we look to the world, nor do they care.
Across the Pond, you may have no idea of the disbelief displayed towards the official narrative by RIGHT-wing populists in the US. The liberals are mostly going on about how Kirk's "violent" speech caused his own death and how "hate speech" is awful, ironically channeling Pam Bondi whom they are supposed to hate.
It's people who never questioned Israel until October 8, who supported Donald Trump in November, who are the most outraged by an obvious federal government coverup of an assassination, and Israel is their #1 suspect. It is a political sea change that has just gotten started.
They don't believe anything Patel says and mock him in ways to delight a Communist. They're talking about a "Zionist occupied government." Most want to dismantle the Empire, which is why many of them voted for Trump in the first place.
The Zionist Illusion is shattered. All the king's AI's and all the king's men cannot put it back together again.
a lot of people on the right want to believe Robinson is guilty and overlook how completely ridiculous is that "text" thread . Are they willfully covering for Israel?
Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't wanna chance it.
As a teacher and Discord user, that "exchange" is the most "hello fellow kids" thing I have ever read.
yup
Before the internet, our institutions could get away with all this because we had only the mainstream propaganda news media delivering the narrative. Now we have an entire population of clever sleuths digging everywhere, posting pictures and videos, analyzing everything, sharing it online and each revelation gives another person an idea where to dig next. It's perfect. It's why the government must have complete control over the internet.
My goodness, their "evidence" is so unbelievably fake, it is just laughable.
They will probably kill him now (either present it as suicide or have some "Kirk fan" shoot him as "revenge", like they did with Oswald) and then say "case closed, he was the shooter, we have the evidence".
I'll sound conspiratorial on this: yes. If it happens, I was right. If it doesn't: I know they thought about it.
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Katherine, the same thought immediately entered my head... that, given that a living Robinson, not only can deny he ever wrote this ridiculous nonsense, but probably has a dozen ways he can prove that it's just not plausible that any number of details in the dialogue just couldn’t, or wouldn't, have come from him, how can the authorities ever allow him the opportunity to do so?
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I mean, how hard could it be for somebody facing such a badly contrived frame-up to rebut this obvious nonsense? The dialogue is just ridiculous. It comes across as completely unreal. It's so completely expository and implausible that, if this dialogue were presented in, say, a TV series, the viewers and critics alike would award it a rotten tomato, and switch channels.
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I don't think anyone needs to be a conspiracy fantasist to draw this conclusion. One merely needs to be a conspiracy realist and a conspiracy factualist to understand that:
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(1) the alleged dialogue between Robinson and his roomie is almost certainly contrived; and
(2) Robinson's life is in serious danger.
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Government? Yeah, well, the oligarchs are already controlling a huge huge chunk of the narrative through the platforms/algorithms they control.
Not getting away with it this time because everyone Donny appointed is a hateful shortsighted incompetent moron.
This reminds me of the fake phone conversation by 2 "Hamas operatives" (with the wrong accents) that lsraeI put out after bombing that first hospital in Gaza.
No-one writes text messages like that.
Yeah, the texts scream fakery. The language is overly formal, and the lack of contractions makes it very stilted. Also, when he is asked how long he's been planning it, he responds: "A bit over a week I believe". It just doesn't scan properly. People tend to type how they speak, and the texts just don't seem like the natural speech patterns of a 22 year old messaging his "lover" about a murder he's just committed.
Apparently he was in a suicide smock during his court meeting, which was interesting.
“A bit over a week I believe”? Does he not know how long he’s been planning it?
Exactly.
Keep in mind he probably had massive amounts of adrenaline in his body. He was concerned about getting his rifle back, not counting the days since the idea popped into his head
With the law, we can argue about what's meant.
With morals, we can unequivocally impose them on others and utterly deny their imposition on us.
But with "what I would have done if I'd been there", we literally make it up as we go along, because none of us has a clue.
The phrase “love” and “my love “ seem weird as well.
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Right on, Carla. Especially the "my love" bit makes him sound like an 18th Century romantic poet, or a character from a gothic novel, who has fallen through a time warp and ended up in the 21st Century. Ridiculous! I mean, sure, it's possible that somebody could still be using that phrase in the early 21st Century, but how commonplace is that going to be?
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I agree, Lisa. The "A bit over a week I believe" piece just screams contrived. That's the kind of response somebody could offer to, say, an interviewer in a TV studio asking some creative artist lounging in the chair opposite: so, Mr. Artist, how long did you spend working on this masterpiece of painting or poetry? And Mr. Artist casts his mind back to consider how his creative genius gave rise to this particular creation.
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WTF? This guy is supposed to be on the run from law enforcement after carrying out the most high-profile crime of the moment, and he sounds like he's participating in a TV studio interview? Absurd.
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And yes, if he was dressed in suicide smock, that does sound ominous. I wonder if they will assign him Jeff Epstein's old cell, along with the non-functional surveillance cameras?
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What we have isn’t actually a lot of evidence, but a tsunami of conjecture, hearsay, circumstantial inferences, and severe narrative building.
Noise to confuse and cause chaos.
In other words, reading the NYT.
I guess, haven’t had a subscription in 5 years, but across all media it’s been a drum beat of far-right/leftist trans since the incident. Before the evidence. And adding unprovable details to fit the agenda.
We do have camera phone footage, at least 5 or 6 different shots which appeared quickly so could not be tampered which brings me to how much more footage there is out there with even the tiniest clues within.
We know something happened but:
Autopsy?
Bullet Trajectory report? (we saw an exit wound with a shot from the right) They say he was on the left.
The guy taking cameras down immediately after, without fear.
No ambulance and immediate casket
3 very deliberate professional decoys
PJ 5 miles away, turning off transponder
No gun in any video, this is an easy one.
3 times change clothes, but caught in original clothes
Multiple stories about the gun
Multiple calibers
Lots of work to seal a leftist trans angle regardless of how it didn’t connect.
I could list up to 200 inconsistencies.
Wasn’t a loner and had many friends who were not aware.
Wasn’t political
Republican family
https://x.com/embracingtara/status/1967671847165595731?s=46
Speaking of NYT, if anyone meeds a little background on groypers and their beef with Kirk’s views, they put out this nice overview on Sept 9th.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/politics/nick-fuentes-trump.html
What 22-year-old guy talks about changing "outfits"? He would just say "change clothes."
Yes, and quite a few more examples like that. The entire text is so obviously fake, it's just laughable.
In Utah slang "outfit" sometimes refers to a vehicle.
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LOL. Right. Exactly. For the people who actually wrote this script, it's all a performance, so, in their mind's eye, the character they are writing for needs to change his "outfit" just the way an actor assigned the role would need to. So, that word made sense to the writers at the time. The moment, however, that the audiance hears the word from the assigned character, it sounds completely unreal, and the whole thing falls apart.
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If it WAS IN FACT ROBINSON, where was he honing his skills with the supposed 30-06? No indoor range that I know of allows rifles of this power to shoot indoor. Populated areas won't tolerate an outdoor range. No one and I mean no one tries to make a kill shot at 200 yds without some range time. Sighting in the rifle and repeated practice sessions. I grew up in a deer hunting environment and a 30-06 round packs a serious punch. I'm opining that a round of this magnitude would have gone on to damage others behind Kirk. The police only use a .38 caliber hand gun because a .357 round can go clear through someone and kill the "innocent".
Who else goes around murdering people, like our "allies" in West Asia? Anyone you can think of? The unending Kirk 'drama' distracts fromthe Gaza Genocide, Ukraine Folly (24 hrs!!) and the best pals pedo-story that magically gets memory holed. Look over there! A squirrel!
Mystery solved right in the texts “judging from today I’d guess grampas gun does just fine idk”. If we believe the texts, sounds like he took his test shot on Sept 10th. Must be a great scope too, then.
Serious gun afficionados practice all the time to master accuracy. Nah...no kill shot like this without serious practice. Any ranges in UT coming forward regarding his practice sessions? Nope...none that I know of. Of course your friendly, neighborhood Mossad shooters are "practicing" all the time. Hmm..
The text messages read like someone texting English through google translate after having watched an episode of Law and Order. I have two kids in their early 20’s and I assure you, there is never a full sentence with correct, proper “adult terms” and words spelled out - there is ALWAYS gen-z language sprinkled in there that I have to google to understand.
Another observation of mine is that the FBI in general, long before Ka$h, has been given WAY too much credit for intelligence. I briefly dated a man who was in the Boston FBI and I assure you, 2+2 did not always = 4 without a calculator in use.
I’m gen z and there have always been kids that text in grammatically correct sentences. Usually the kids who would be described as one of the “smart kids”.
You can’t act like you’re an expert on gen z communication because you’ve texted 2 of them. I’ve almost certainly texted way more Gen z than you, and texting in grammatically correct sentences is the FURTHEST thing from unheard of. This is what I would send to you if I was texting you. Not perfect but no gen z slang sprinkled in. Come on
“come on….”
So unnecessary, especially when you know there are A LOT of gen-z out there who do exactly what I described. You can pretend there isn’t a gen-z language out there and that it’s not widely used throughout the age group if you want, but that does not mean it ceases to exist.
I never said my kids (or gen-z in general), COULDN’T text or type in complete, grammatical sentences, just that they don’t in familiar, comfortable situations.
Of course, you are entitled to feel whatever you please
I never said it didn’t exist. I said it’s not unheard of for gen z to text in fully grammatical sentences. You can’t base your opinion if these texts are real or not because he doesn’t text the same way as your kids. He’s a different person with a different upbringing and (I hope) in completely different online spaces than your kids.
I have a question - if really smart Gen-Zers text in complete sentences, and a really smart Gen-Zer did the deed, and Gen-Zers know the texting language but don't always use it, why would the smart Gen-Zer text in full sentences that they did the deed and not use the Gen-Z text language?
Also, if that script had been texted in Gen-Z language, what would it have looked like?
I'm genuinely interested to know - I'm a boomer, and want to understand.
Thanks!
It's probably fair to say that the truth of what happened is largely immaterial to the idiots who are sharing information with the media. The great divide they want you all to stop exploring is between the rich and poor, not the right and left.
Also, reading that bizarre text message exchange, the person who came to mind was the man who wrote a similarly clunky exchange for a 50th birthday card to a recently deceased billionaire rapist.
Here’s a theory, probably wrong, but worth thinking about a few seconds: Tyler was on the roof, but unarmed. The shot came from another direction and he was set up to be the fall guy. A professional sniper, likely mossad, because they had motive and had made threats. Tyler was asked to go to the roof, maybe his family threatened or he was paid. He’s not cooperating, maybe afraid to talk.
As people are saying, who benefits from this death? Not the left. So it’s either a looney loner or a professional hit. One shot to the neck? A steady hand for sure.
The hand signals? “He’s in place, do it now.”
The rifle in a towel? Planted. Not the murder weapon. Maybe Tyler was told to put it there, but it was never on the roof.
The story they are telling is far too convoluted to be persuasive.
Every word of what you wrote is entirely plausible. This corrupt regime that’s in power right now is bumbling around like a bunch of fools. They don’t know how stupid we look to the world, nor do they care.
That final tweet sums it up Charlie Kirk was a useful fool sacrificed for the good of the establishment.
Across the Pond, you may have no idea of the disbelief displayed towards the official narrative by RIGHT-wing populists in the US. The liberals are mostly going on about how Kirk's "violent" speech caused his own death and how "hate speech" is awful, ironically channeling Pam Bondi whom they are supposed to hate.
It's people who never questioned Israel until October 8, who supported Donald Trump in November, who are the most outraged by an obvious federal government coverup of an assassination, and Israel is their #1 suspect. It is a political sea change that has just gotten started.
They don't believe anything Patel says and mock him in ways to delight a Communist. They're talking about a "Zionist occupied government." Most want to dismantle the Empire, which is why many of them voted for Trump in the first place.
The Zionist Illusion is shattered. All the king's AI's and all the king's men cannot put it back together again.
That's the most positive thing I've read today. Here's hoping the tide is turning.
BTW could ICE organise a welcome committee for when Trump heads home after schmoozing with Handy-Andy's older brother in Windsor?
Game. Set. Match. You cut to the chase and NAILED it! Well done Sir/Madam. Or, them, they, him, his, her...whatever
From articles I read today, it's glaringly obvious Tyler didn't write the texts the FBI is using as evidence.
a lot of people on the right want to believe Robinson is guilty and overlook how completely ridiculous is that "text" thread . Are they willfully covering for Israel?
Can you say, "patsy."
How many people use the word "vehicle" to describe what they drive? People say "car" or "truck." They don't say vehicle.
Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't wanna chance it.
WHAT 22 YO TALKS LIKE THIS???